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Class: 2011Nov29 Respect in Role Play what it means
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[02:09 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): so as this class is about Respect in RP I would like to know what do you think I might mean by this?
[02:10 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): and we lost Mors...pouts
[02:10 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): >.> you mean not possibly insulting another players singing?
[02:11 PM] Anjolie Criss: Do you mean giving the other players a chance to respond accordingly?
[02:11 PM] Anjolie Criss: haha Astric
[02:11 PM] Scooter Miles: be respectful of others stories and hopefully they will of yours to work them all together into something better
[02:11 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): sticks her tongue out to Astrid....I didn't but I was by myself
[02:12 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): all of those are good so lets break them up a bit and talk about them individually
[02:13 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Sorry about that and ooh sorry Izala, s'whatchy get for stealing my chair
[02:14 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): first lets talk about characters specifically...OOCly as we all know the amount of folk lore that is out there can be bountiful yes? so how does this impact each of us when we interact with each other?
[02:14 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): np
[02:16 PM] Scooter Miles: there are many genre's mythos, and stories behind many types of creatures and beings that can be in legos. Your ideas might not mesh up to another's so don't tread on their back story if it's not what you like
[02:17 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): that you should respect one anothers use of the mythos
[02:17 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): good so lets say I don't like how one plays a vamp should I climb into their IM box and say..."hey your doing it wrong!!"
[02:17 PM] Morsmordre Furman: No.
[02:17 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): no, it they want to sparkle let them
[02:17 PM] Scooter Miles: unless they are a glowing newly pregnant vamp toddler wearing pink in an animal show, no
[02:18 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): so likes your thinking scooter..laughs
[02:18 PM] Anjolie Criss: No just slap them right then and there.
[02:18 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Well Scooter if they are a pregnant toddler they are violating SL TOS so that is different.
[02:19 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): the main idea here is to find out what is different about each of us ICly....because of the different mythos out there
[02:19 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): what may harm one character may not harm another...
[02:20 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): so lets go with that a moment...
[02:20 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I have a character that can call holy light and use it on a elf..I get a successfull harm roll....how can we respect that roll but remain true to the character that we have
[02:21 PM] Morsmordre Furman: First the post must include an attempt, but it also must leave how the harm is done open to the person to interpret how they are harmed yes? So that the player who has written with their own mythos decides how an effect is made notmyself.
[02:21 PM] Scooter Miles: holy can be made up of differant wythos for the belief though
[02:22 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): yall are thinking to hard
[02:22 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): hmmm... look at the attempt to, WHAT were trying to do with the holy light? aaaaand... can holy light harm anything that's not demonic?
[02:23 PM] Kaezin Freng: could blind them temp
[02:23 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): nods
[02:23 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): great thank you Kaezin
[02:23 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): the ide is not picking apart mythos wise but respecting the successful roll
[02:24 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): nods makes sense, the force could push the elf back too
[02:24 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): they might not have gotten the harm they expected but the roll was still respected....if I was an elf and holy light was used...it would not necessarily harm me they way they attempted to because it doesnt
[02:25 PM] Scooter Miles: because it was holy or because it was light?
[02:25 PM] Scooter Miles: something just half clicked the wrong way
[02:25 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): well that is the fun part...and actually depends on the RP...this was just a general example
[02:26 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): yeah finally made it to a class
[02:26 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): the idea here is to get all of you to think of ways based on the RP given...and then respond according to your character...respecting the attempt
[02:26 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): so an angel could be harmed by holy light ?
[02:26 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): nods... my elf is a light elf, its the base of her magic, hers isn't holy, but holy light wouldn't harm iher just because thats what it is
[02:26 PM] Scooter Miles: yes
[02:26 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): Hi Rhys!
[02:27 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): exactly astrid but it could temporarly blind you so you don't see so well
[02:27 PM] Scooter Miles: holy doesn't mean goody nice religions, and even so, my holy power could still hate yours
[02:27 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): that respects the roll
[02:27 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): nods
[02:27 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): yeppers leigh
[02:27 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): this is why the reaction is given by the player the attempted action was placed on
[02:28 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): now having said all that
[02:28 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): would it be appropriate to climb into their box and then go..hey I got a successful roll you should be hurt!!
[02:28 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): Not like that!
[02:28 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): no
[02:28 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Of course not
[02:28 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): let them do their rp
[02:29 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): so how should I react if I didn't get the reaction I was expecting?
[02:29 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): nope, cause it woudn't be plausible
[02:29 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): ICly you could try to figure out why it work
[02:30 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): you continue with the rp and play off their reaction.
[02:30 PM] Kaezin Freng: change tactics...just like a real fight.
[02:30 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): that's a good suggestion
[02:30 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): nods and smiles...excatly..handle it ICly...stay in the game...work a different tactic...
[02:31 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): ok lets move on to something else with characters and something anjolie mentioned....
[02:32 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): how many times have you felt like you are not being given enough time to react?
[02:32 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): never... been lucky
[02:33 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): 42
[02:33 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Once long ago
[02:33 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): you kept track ? chuckles
[02:33 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): What if they are just stubborn and ignore your tactics
[02:33 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): they are not respecting my rp then?
[02:33 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): correct and best to call for a ST
[02:34 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): now...when it comes to RP it is not a race
[02:34 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): laughs... no izala, i was picking a random number, it has happened a few times for me though
[02:34 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): grins I know.. just teasing you
[02:34 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): now I do know there are places that the RP feels like it is because there are so many in the room
[02:34 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): this is my tactic I use in the cafe
[02:35 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I have leigh siting at her table when there are just a few in there I may interact with those sitting on the couches but..as more come in and come to the table I only pay attention to that RP those that are usually within 5 meters...why do you think I do that?
[02:36 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): keep confusion down.. and in rl those are the ones you would be talking to anyway.. not shouting across the room
[02:37 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): plausibility. Even if you have superior hearing you can pay attention to everything
[02:37 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Plausability factors, though I do have a higher number I do not "hear" everyone in range.
[02:37 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): can't
[02:37 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Its also okay to RP getting overwhelmed by sounds and such in crowds yes?
[02:38 PM] Anjolie Criss: The rest is background noise
[02:38 PM] Anjolie Criss: I love that recommendation and I use it all the time now.
[02:38 PM] Anjolie Criss: Especially that time we were guarantined because it was getting chaotic. LOL
[02:38 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): oh that's a good suggestion make a post that you can't hear around you
[02:39 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): or that your attention is focused on the person you'are speaking with
[02:39 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): personally I do it for my own sanity and try not to go over five sometimes a bit more because frankly that many voices you wouldn't hear them well unless concentrating on it...
[02:39 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): exactly...
[02:40 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): now normally I will give 8 mins from the time I post for the other to respond and there are some I give more because I am used to how long it takes for them to respond..
[02:40 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): damn it... sorry
[02:41 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I figure 2 min to read my post 2 min to figure out how my character will react and more just to type out the responce..
[02:41 PM] Morsmordre Furman: I try to give folks ten minutes, that even covers the slow typers I know usually, but isi t allowable to IM someone after that time and see if they just needed extra time or went afk?
[02:42 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I have IM'd others when I have waited 10 min if they are still there and responding...cause we all know how RL can grab us unexpectely
[02:42 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): or their system hung up or maybe yours hung up
[02:43 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): i keep having an issue where half my text disappears and i have to go back and re-type it -__-
[02:43 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): and if there is alot of chatter.. they can miss the post
[02:43 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Astrid try typing in Notepad, that cuts the lag and if SL eats it you have it ready
[02:43 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): nods... i can try it
[02:44 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): what do you mean type in notepad. I screen freeze sometimes and it take for ever to type 3 words
[02:44 PM] Morsmordre Furman: I have notepad open an outside program and can type to my hearts content
[02:44 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I know many that use a NC. notepad, word or other text documents to type their post then copy it over
[02:44 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): now...here is one thing you will want to be careful about with that
[02:46 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): make sure that you are really reading what others post...and not so busy typing your response that it looks like you didn't even read what they wrote....because that can be frustrating as well to other players...they feel like the other is not even reading their posts.
[02:49 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): this is just respecting their RP now differences of opionions of characters may happen and that is RP
[02:50 PM] Morsmordre Furman: I am not sure how yo uwould respond without their response
[02:51 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): have you ever heard of the saying they hear what your saying but not listening?
[02:51 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): or what you expect them to do or react
[02:51 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): nods
[02:51 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Indeed.
[02:52 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I have had it happen to myself actually because I skimmed over I didn't really read what was typed and misread a post majorly because of it...caused a big RP mess...so now I personally try to be more careful...I call it active reading line one would do active listening
[02:53 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): active listening is not sitting there thinking about what you are going to say while the other is talking...same can happen in RP actually
[02:54 PM] You decline To all active constables 11/29 from A group member named Seras Tearfall.
[02:55 PM] Anjolie Criss: Sometimes I forget people can't hear whats in my head so i leave stuff out in trying to hurry and respond
[02:55 PM] Anjolie Criss: CAN'T YOU JUST READ MY MIND?
[02:55 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): Yeah and some people take offense to invisible things
[02:55 PM] Morsmordre Furman: I am afraid to, I might not like what I find.
[02:55 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): oh I call that my shorthand...hate it when it kicks iin..laughs
[02:55 PM] Scooter Miles: i fso we would all use thought statement
[02:55 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): we have the same problem email does
[02:55 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): yeah i do that too...
[02:56 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): invisible things can be offensive!
[02:56 PM] Morsmordre Furman: I try to compensate with my posting for the lack of tone by specifying the tone.
[02:57 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): ok so we have been talking about interacting with each other ICly...lets move now to interacting OOCly
[02:57 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): as we all know when we RP tone...as Mors said. facial expresions. smiles...we type all that out ICly but what happens when we go to OOC chat or talking in IM's?
[02:58 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): we forget
[02:58 PM] Morsmordre Furman: If in doubt I tend to ask people directly, but then I am always compensating for my short comings
[02:58 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): it is surprising how quick misunderstandings happen
[02:59 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): the reason is because it is just text
[02:59 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): yes absolutely
[02:59 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): so if I said to nimue..
[02:59 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): nimue..I need to talk with you.
[02:59 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): I would think.. oh oh what did I do
[02:59 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): am I in trouble ?
[02:59 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): ok same statement
[03:00 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): nimue, I need to talk with you ;)
[03:00 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): fun time
[03:00 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): not in trouble
[03:00 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): nimue, I need to talk with you :P
[03:00 PM] Morsmordre Furman: I went with the first reply both times. Winky doesn't mean much to me, since RL you wouldn't wink anyway, but this is just me.
[03:00 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): LOL
[03:01 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): trust me if it was serious there would not be a wink..laughs
[03:01 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): ^_^
[03:01 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): the idea is just those little things changed the tone
[03:02 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): same statement all recieved differently just because of adding the little smile
[03:02 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): my point is....please..if you are unclear of anyone's tone it is best not to take it personally...just because YOU hear it negatively doesn't mean they ment it that way...
[03:03 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): yes true enough,
[03:03 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): and when I have had doubts I ask...I will say. "I'm sorry I am not sure how you mean that could you go into more detail please?"
[03:04 PM] Morsmordre Furman: and when that makes people react by telling you to not be so serious/
[03:04 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): please, thank you, smiles, all these things help with your OOC interaction with others...becasue you cannot hear voice inflections....and if you go on the defensive automatically what can happen?
[03:05 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): the other party gets defensive
[03:05 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Drama.
[03:05 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): then there are people that just like to overreact
[03:06 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): there are Rhys, but who can you control them or yourself
[03:08 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): yeah I know. I just shut up but doesn't help that my character can be rude all on his own
[03:09 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): in the end there is only one person you can control and that is yourself. only you can treat and speak with others as you would want to be spoken to...we are a community of players that are here for one thing and that is to enjoy the game....even in RL there are people that feel they must win no matter what...it happens...and can happen here...but...here is the biggy...you can be an asshat ICly but NEVER OOCly...we respect each other and give the benefit of the doubt.
[03:09 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): then good to say in IM thanks for the rp..
[03:09 PM] Morsmordre Furman: I am not sure outside of the periodic duel how you can decide if you win.
[03:11 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): does it really matter? a true win in this game is when you sign out and go....damn that was some fun RP tonight and I can't wait to sign back in for more."
[03:11 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): very true Leigh
[03:11 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): and I have some tricks that may help you with those frustrating RP's
[03:11 PM] Morsmordre Furman: That was sort of my point, there is no clear win so why would it matter? Of course often being respectful means doing things in RP I do not like but I still do them because enabling others fun helps me get back to fun.
[03:11 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): true good point
[03:12 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): ok wait and listen a moment
[03:14 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): you want to be true to your character always. making sure that in your RP you are reacting ICly..do not ever break your character for others for it is your game and your character be true to them first..for you are not responsible for others RP...
[03:14 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): being respectful OOCly is something totally different and seperate
[03:15 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): ICly my charater may want to rip your throat out but OOCly I will help you as much as I can
[03:15 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): True, I probably wouldn't have backed down from being challenged
[03:16 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): and this takes me to another point about IM's
[03:16 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): and I am saying this as a suggestion to all of you
[03:18 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): skype, yahoo, msn, googletalk, IM's in SL...all of these are great ways for us to interact OOCly.....you are not your character in these places...this is where we have fun talk about what ever you want...but one thing you should NOT talk about and that is your game...you should not need to explain about the motivations of your character in any of these places. If you want a sounding board for story line ideas then speak with ST's or others that are not tied into your RP...why do you think I recommend this?
[03:19 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Metagaming prevention
[03:19 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): objectivity?
[03:19 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): ah true
[03:19 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): it is also called poisoning the scene....this is a form of metagaming
[03:20 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): if I know beforehand that someone is coming after my character OOCly..then this will affect my game
[03:20 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I want the excitement of finding out ICly...this is why we have this as our mantra here
[03:21 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I talk story line ideas with my RL sister because she is not tied in with my RP at all here in legacies because she doesn't play here.
[03:22 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): this is respecting your fellow RPers because the moment you start talking about things going on in your story line you have now poisoned their game...and they have to becareful not to have it influence their game
[03:22 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): does this make sense?
[03:22 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Yes
[03:22 PM] Kaezin Freng: yup
[03:22 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): nods
[03:24 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): now if someone does come to you OOCly through these different methods ask them nicly to keep it in game...if they continue then just close it and stop responding...it is ok to draw your line in the sand and say. please respect my game..don't cross it
[03:25 PM] Morsmordre Furman: and with the people who closing Ims and ignoring them fails to get the point across to?
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[03:25 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): don't respond contact a ST
[03:25 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Right.
[03:25 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): that is what we are here for to help each and every one of you
[03:26 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): there is nothing we can do about outside chat progams those were your options to share with them and up to you to handle it as you see fit we can only help with what happens in here however ok?
[03:27 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): now I do want to bring up one more thing and that is scripting RP....does this respect your fellow players game?
[03:27 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Nope
[03:28 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): Not if you're so stubborn you won't adapt it.
[03:28 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): no
[03:28 PM] Anjolie Criss: I think that we like to think we can always separate but once something is in your head it's in your head. I'd rather someone just play it with me and at that moment im me if they are worried but don't contact me days before.
[03:29 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): scripting RP never works in a free form RP setting...because no one has your script..and your right Anjolie
[03:29 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I don't mind someone IMing me and say I really want to RP with you or my character really needs to get with yours when will you be available
[03:29 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): that's my problem with using notecard. they are busy writing and not paying attention to what's happening since they started writing, so things get left out.
[03:30 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): that is different and coordinating RP...
[03:30 PM] Morsmordre Furman: Rhys, I reread the posts before I send, and also my own to try and make sure everything is covered. Admittedly sometimes I miss but I have apologized for that each time.
[03:30 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I hear ya Rhys but what may work for you may not work for them...
[03:30 PM] Anjolie Criss: I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, I hope the do the same for me because its seriously just an oversight.
[03:30 PM] Rhys(tarhys.starek): yeah just my two cents to remind folks to double check themselves.
[03:32 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): if you have a story line that you would like to introduce to everyone..just start RPing about it see if someone will bite but please respect your fellow players..don't set them up to be the bad guy because there can be long reaching consequenses that you never expected...if you like to play a bad guy..have your fun with your RP do the work to set up your victim and see what happens
[03:33 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): RP is and should be flexible...enjoy the improv...see what happens and where the journey of your character may go
[03:33 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): any questions? or thoughts?
[03:33 PM] Morsmordre Furman: No.
[03:34 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): no
[03:34 PM] Anjolie Criss: I like the chat posts because it gives anyone the opportunity to jump in.
[03:34 PM] Anjolie Criss: that's my random comment
[03:34 PM] Anjolie Criss: lmao
[03:34 PM] Kaezin Freng: he he he
[03:35 PM] Lady Leigh Luv: ((Izala Beltza is given 1500 experience points.))
[03:35 PM] Lady Leigh Luv: ((Kaezin is given 1500 experience points.))
[03:35 PM] Kaezin Freng: Thank you
[03:35 PM] Lady Leigh Luv: ((Sebastian is given 1500 experience points.))
[03:35 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): ^_^
[03:35 PM] Lady Leigh Luv: ((Astrid Muircastle is given 1500 experience points.))
[03:35 PM] Anjolie Criss: Tell us how you really feel Astrid
[03:35 PM] Anjolie Criss: ;p
[03:35 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): >.>
[03:36 PM] Lady Leigh Luv: ((Anjolie Criss is given 1500 experience points.))
[03:36 PM] Anjolie Criss: Thank you Leigh
[03:36 PM] Lady Leigh Luv: ((Leigh Huet has entered the area.))
[03:36 PM] Izala Beltza(nimue.macbeth): thank you
[03:36 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): i feelll.... hungry actually.
[03:36 PM] Anjolie Criss: Great class as always
[03:36 PM] Astrid Muircastle(astrid.floresby): :P
[03:36 PM] Leigh Luv(leigh.huet): I think I got everyone and thank you all for comming -
Great class, Leigh, thank you***
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