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ST Ophelia
Instructor Artur Lionheart[05:04 PM] Artur Lionheart: Okay it's that magic time so let's get this show on the road. Greetings to all, I am Artur, your guest lecturer tonight for my third guest class. This one tonight is going to have a lot of audience interaction and the Lecture is an Open Discussion about Mature Themed RP
[05:04 PM] Giada Bedrosian: lol
[05:04 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: nope sorry just a penis
[05:04 PM] Patch Reina: my umbrella is king!
[05:05 PM] Ragnar Ergaron is Offline
[05:05 PM] Patch Reina: the lacy frills distract from its deadly nature =__=
[05:05 PM] Niesa Bailey: no then im good
[05:05 PM] Ragnar Ergaron is Online
[05:05 PM] Artur Lionheart: First, let me talk about what this class is now. This class does not imply. 1) Imply that you as players are required to participate in mature themed rp
2) That a person has to go with the flow if the rp takes a direction a player is not comfortable with
3) That this lecture is only about Sex, as there are other mature themes in the Sim other then sex
[05:05 PM] Patch Reina: thank you ophe.
[05:06 PM] Oceantide Leifstrom runs in breathless
[05:06 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: kicks the scrawny little deviant
[05:06 PM] Artur Lionheart: What I hope to cover tonight is the following 1) Talk about mature themes in the sim, and ways we can help use those themes to enhance a person's role-playing experience
2) Talk about some literature examples that involve some mature theme, and encourage others to add in their two cents
3) Discuss RP Limits
4) Go over the Legacies rules about engaging in mature theme rp, and what is expected of you the player.
[05:08 PM] Artur Lionheart: So Mature Themes, why do we like them, why are we drawn to them, why is it popular to RP. Also other then sex, lets name some other forms of RP that would be considered Mature.
[05:08 PM] Ragnar stands and offers Ophelia his seat
[05:08 PM] blayne Bluebird: Stabing somebody to death?
[05:08 PM] Fiona Restless: Political intigue
[05:09 PM] Patch Reina: voiolent gortesque torture.
[05:09 PM] Patch Reina: *violent
[05:09 PM] blayne Bluebird: i thought that WAS sex :3
[05:09 PM] Artur Lionheart: LOL
[05:09 PM] Lyn Clawtooth: lol
[05:09 PM] Patch Reina: Wyld's closet.
[05:09 PM] Niesa Bailey: i need to hang with you blayne lmao
[05:09 PM] Wyld Frostwych: LOL
[05:10 PM] Wyld Frostwych: sounds like you've been there, Patch
[05:10 PM] Artur Lionheart: Great examples, and at times, it really is all in the details. I want to relate story about how we gor HBO one time way back in time when parachute pants were in fasion
[05:10 PM] Patch Reina: i plead the fifth.
[05:10 PM] Niesa Bailey: omg i smoked that part of my memory
[05:11 PM] Artur Lionheart: Dad was watchign some R rated movie, and the scene on it was a robbery of a gas station, and the robber knocked over an old lady, saw she had on anice diamond ring, could not get it off, so got out a pair of wire sheers, and snipped off the finger
[05:11 PM] Renita Yardley: sweet
[05:12 PM] Artur Lionheart: I had enightmares about that for near a month
[05:12 PM] Niesa Bailey: ouch
[05:12 PM] Patch Reina: thats not necesarily bad, thats called being effecient.
[05:12 PM] Renita Yardley: -hugs Artur- its ok, dont be sad or scared anymore
[05:12 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: snorts
[05:12 PM] Catt Catiria: don't go into the walk in closet. ;)
[05:12 PM] Catt Catiria: poltergeist
[05:12 PM] Artur Lionheart: Its the shock vaule, its the little bit extra that leaves an impression upon you, good or bad. and it is in the details that matter.
[05:13 PM] Artur Lionheart: Here are two examples, and you can see how one phrase goes from jsut run of the mill rp, and crosses over the line into what could be considered mature.
[05:13 PM] Artur Lionheart de Morhban moves over to the unseelie warrior and hits him
[05:14 PM] Iris sniffles as she feels lonley in the tree
[05:14 PM] Renita Yardley: lol
[05:14 PM] Renita Yardley: Yeah im the luckiest woman alive
[05:14 PM] Artur Lionheart: /yawns and does his best Ruby Rod impression. "See its got no color, no flash, no panache, no Green!
[05:15 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: yur hogging the poses
[05:15 PM] Renita Yardley: gakk
[05:15 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: snuggly
[05:15 PM] Renita Yardley: mhmmmmm
[05:15 PM] Artur Lionheart: Lets look at that same action but with a few more details
[05:16 PM] Artur Lionheart de Morhban dances forward, his blade singing in his hand like it was a part of him, and in two steps, Artur was past him, the edge of hid blade dripping blood onto the floor. The unseelie warrior takes two steps, hands grasping at his midsection before he tumbles to the floor, in two separate pieces, gore, blood, and entrails making a sickening wet sound and they pour forth from the gapping, mortal wound.
[05:16 PM] Ragnar wonders when we get to the good stuff...
[05:16 PM] Bo Bo reaches back and bites Artur's big toe
[05:16 PM] Patch Reina: now now let them an teach
[05:16 PM] Ragnar Ergaron: eeww!
[05:17 PM] Niesa gags
[05:17 PM] Fiona Seid-Camael aside from forcing a conclusion..good descriton
[05:17 PM] Patch Reina: *the man teach
[05:17 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: you so godmodded him :P
[05:17 PM] Artur Lionheart: Hushit was a critical :P
[05:18 PM] Aceriah Moonwinder: was gonna say....lol
[05:18 PM] Artur Lionheart: But the point is, with a few details, graphic details, we can turn an action from ho hum to OMG
[05:18 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: but your point is it was the description that made the difference
[05:19 PM] Artur Lionheart: Which is part of the reason why the mature facinates us. We want to be shocked, we want to have the impression in our mind.
[05:19 PM] Niesa Bailey: very true
[05:19 PM] Artur Lionheart de Morhban does his best RUssel Crow al la Gladiator voice. "Are you not entertained!"
[05:20 PM] Renita Yardley: I AM
[05:20 PM] Fiona Seid-Camael i don't know if it's as much shock as good details in the post.
[05:20 PM] Artur Lionheart: And there is nothing wrong with that. I find that with a right mix of mature rp, you can give your rp that edge that it might be lacking
[05:20 PM] Ragnar has a cold...everone sounds like Paul Rubins
[05:20 PM] Renita Yardley: good details are a must
[05:22 PM] Artur Lionheart: There is sex for sex sake, and then there is sex to help enhance and move a plot. and again, not all mature themed rp is about sex. Who can name some literary examples out there where a mature scenes in a book help make the ink pop off the page and make you not want to put the book down?
[05:22 PM] Niesa Bailey: a kidnappien
[05:22 PM] Niesa Bailey: kidnapping
[05:22 PM] Ragnar Ergaron: Slaughterhouse Five
[05:22 PM] Fiona Restless: like it Kushiel's Dart..the desciptions of battle
[05:23 PM] Ragnar Ergaron: Bizzare crash sequences wrapped in ludicrous human dramas
[05:24 PM] Duchess Sapphire: sorry , rl gotta run, thanks
[05:25 PM] Artur Lionheart: The Kushiel series by Jacqueline Caery stand out the most to me of how the auther uses mature themes to tell the story, and not have the series be only abou tthat
[05:26 PM] Artur Lionheart: A Clockwork Orange is another example that comes to mind
[05:26 PM] Renita Yardley: OH YESSS
[05:26 PM] Renita Yardley: I love clockwork orange, good example
[05:26 PM] Lyn nods in agreement
[05:26 PM] Fiona Restless: worth reading over and over just to get the vocabulary
[05:27 PM] Ragnar Ergaron: Alex gets it in the yarbools
[05:27 PM] Artur Lionheart: Some early examples of Laural K Hamilton with her Anti Blake and Merith Gentry series
[05:27 PM] Oceantide Leifstrom: Oh yes I like them
[05:27 PM] Artur Lionheart: She aso serves as good example of crossing the line where the mature themese actually hurt the plot
[05:27 PM] Fiona Restless: Stephan king in the Stand
[05:27 PM] Aceriah Moonwinder: very good series
[05:28 PM] Artur Lionheart: Steven King, great example
[05:28 PM] Aceriah Moonwinder: i can see that - in the later books
[05:28 PM] Lothar Knelstrom is Offline
[05:28 PM] Ragnar Ergaron: Boo Radley! lol
[05:28 PM] Artur Lionheart: Salem's Lot
[05:28 PM] Artur Lionheart: here is a very classic example. Bram Stokkers Dracula.
[05:29 PM] Greyangel Parx is Offline
[05:29 PM] GRIGORI Yardley: false memory
[05:29 PM] Renita Yardley: Dean Koontz False memory was superb
[05:29 PM] Renita Yardley: perfecy example of sex being needed and makes you want to read the entire book in one sitting.
[05:30 PM] Niesa Bailey: any of sidney sheldon books lol
[05:30 PM] Renita Yardley: lol
[05:30 PM] Laken Thorne makes faces at Ophelia.
[05:30 PM] Laken Thorne then snickers
[05:30 PM] Lady Ophelia Lowenhart winks
[05:30 PM] GRIGORI Yardley: Choke is another example
[05:30 PM] Erekiel Claven: Choke is a frieking excellent book.
[05:31 PM] Erekiel Claven: What is it an example of now?
[05:31 PM] GRIGORI Yardley: how sex can be a draw in literature
[05:31 PM] Carys Blackheart: The dark ones series
[05:32 PM] Wyld Frostwych: if you only have to read the sex scenes, it makes the book go faster
[05:32 PM] Erekiel Claven: Ah yes, Kushiel series is also a great example of that.
[05:32 PM] Artur Lionheart: All good examples on how detaisl realism, the shock and wow factor and turn something from ho hum, to something that sticks out in our minds, even boosk some of us might not have touched in years
[05:33 PM] Artur Lionheart: And that can work to a person's advantage in RP, and is a key component of many characers here in Lagacies, my character included
[05:34 PM] Artur Lionheart: With RP of this type however, we must recognize and acknowledge that not everyone's comfort level is the same.
[05:35 PM] Artur Lionheart: Which leads into our next topic. RP limits. Okay, give me in yoru own words what RP limits mean to you?
[05:35 PM] Renita Yardley: what someone wont, or will allow to happen to their character
[05:35 PM] Carys Blackheart: establishing your comfort levels
[05:35 PM] Catt Catiria: ic person space
[05:35 PM] Patch Reina: that your a punk b**ch
[05:35 PM] Catt Catiria: personal
[05:35 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: Oph never has sex
[05:35 PM] Lyn Clawtooth: rp limits are your comfort levels for you and your character
[05:35 PM] Fiona Restless: What you will and will not do, have done to you and types of characters will and willn ot deal with
[05:35 PM] Giada Bedrosian: RP limits are how far you will allow your character to go within an rp
[05:35 PM] Iris giggles at Ophs comment
[05:36 PM] Carys passes Oph her spare chastisty belt
[05:36 PM] Ragnar ponders his limit...((OOB))
[05:37 PM] Artur Lionheart: Good examples. Comfort level is a good one as it to me, it is that line when an RP changes from something fun and edgy to damned uncomfortable or something to turn my stomach
[05:38 PM] Renita Yardley: hate that[05:38 PM] Artur Lionheart: For example for me as a guy, I'm rather fond of the family jewels, and to be honest, don't ever want to rp someone taking a walnut cracker to them
[05:38 PM] Artur Lionheart: EW
[05:38 PM] Oceantide Leifstrom chuckled
[05:39 PM] Giada Bedrosian: Ow!
[05:39 PM] Aceriah chuckles
[05:39 PM] Catt Catiria: ideas, ideas
[05:39 PM] Renita Yardley: hehe
[05:39 PM] Oceantide Leifstrom makes notes
[05:39 PM] Renita Yardley: asks for copies of her notes
[05:39 PM] Artur Lionheart: and rp limits might nto be about sexual stuff
[05:39 PM] GRIGORI Yardley: winks at his wife
[05:39 PM] Laken Thorne passes notes.
[05:39 PM] Iris winks back
[05:40 PM] Oceantide Leifstrom wonders where the copier is
[05:40 PM] Artur Lionheart: a player might of had a bad experience in the past, say they were kidnapped. They might not want to ever rp out something that hits so close to home
[05:40 PM] Laken Thorne in paper airplane form to Iris 'do you like me? Yes or no.. circkle one please."
[05:40 PM] Fiona Restless: I've found mine are so weird that I can tell when someon hasn't read my profile.
[05:40 PM] Laken Thorne thinks k
[05:40 PM] Erekiel Claven: s make everything cooler
[05:40 PM] Iris raises a brow and circles yes
[05:41 PM] Laken Thorne bounces happily in his seat
[05:41 PM] Artur Lionheart: Most flolks have them up on their S/L profile however, it is upon you the player to ask someone before you head into an rp that is moving into the mature theme
[05:41 PM] Iris rubs her boney butt on Oph's lap and snickers
[05:42 PM] Oneiros tosses a paper ball at Laken Thorne
[05:42 PM] Lady Ophelia Lowenhart giggles
[05:42 PM] Artur Lionheart: which is a nice seqway into what is Legacies Policy on Mature Themed RP
[05:42 PM] Laken Thorne gets jelous of Oph's lap.
[05:42 PM] Fiona Restless: TOS only
[05:42 PM] Renita Yardley: Artur, you are correct in all seriousness though, I met a girl once in another sim...she was raped in RL...and refused to deal with that kind of RP, however....
[05:43 PM] Renita Yardley: why put yourself in that type of situation, for example, she was in a sim where that was a common thing to happen to her race she choose.
[05:43 PM] Niesa Bailey: honestly who could blame her
[05:43 PM] Artur Lionheart: I wanted to talk about this as I had a run in with a player, and I honestly didn't follwo the rules, there was a misunderstanding, and before all was said and done, we had retconned RP, feelings hurt, and me and the other player standing before two mods hashing things out, and a night of rp wasted because of that
[05:44 PM] Artur Lionheart: It wasn't fun, and we are all here for that, to have fun. There is a fine line thought at times between fun, and harassement, and no one wants to be harassed.
[05:44 PM] Renita Yardley: I mean I agree, but from an educational and intelligent perspective, why do it to yourself? why put yourself there in that type of situation, this is RP...and you can leave a sim or area with the click of a button.
[05:44 PM] Artur Lionheart: Most of us get that enough when we log off
[05:45 PM] Artur Lionheart: Godo point Renita!
[05:45 PM] Fiona Restless: As i said in my profile, I'm here to escape problems not relive tham
[05:46 PM] Catt Catiria: example, wouldn't it be a good idea to ask someone if you can touch them, before actually doing it??
[05:46 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: I have to agree with Renita, to an extent, if you enter a sim that has RP that deals with something you are not comfortable with you may need to rething your choices not expect the sim to change
[05:46 PM] Erekiel Claven: i think RP means something dfferent to every person that does it, sometimes it can be almost theraputic when it comes to certain situations.. for instance maybe your friend did that because she -could- say no... where as she didn't get the chance to say
[05:46 PM] Erekiel Claven: no in real life.
[05:46 PM] Renita Yardley: Some people don;t take the time to look at profiles though Fiona...and Oph and Erekiel are right, you can accept the RP or just say in IM, im not cool with this and leave.
[05:47 PM] Laken Thorne nods
[05:47 PM] Carys Blackheart: Excuse me I have to disagree. Just because you are on a sim doesnt' mean you have to agree to everything, and you can't have issues with some rps, if you over all enjoy the sim. Why can't a person just say no and have it left at that?
[05:47 PM] Artur Lionheart: If anyone finds them selfs in an Rp they are not comfortable with. No one says you have to go through with it. IM the other person, or persons. ask for them to stop, and ask for a ST. if you are really uncomfortable, log off. Be sure however to document so yu can share with the ST when you ahve salmed down.
[05:47 PM] Fiona Restless: For me writing out my limits was a good exercise in claifying my own thoughts
[05:47 PM] Ragnar Ergaron: Depends on the nature of the touch. Normal everyday jostle or bump, as opposed to one with further repercussion.
[05:47 PM] Greyangel Parx is Offline
[05:48 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: I hope a player would speak up BEFORE it reaches that point
[05:48 PM] Aceriah Moonwinder: you can usually tell in plenty of time to make a decision
[05:48 PM] Fiona Restless: One rp I had issues with was one where a lot of intense things were happening and then..mind-wipe.
[05:48 PM] Aceriah Moonwinder: where the RP is headed
[05:49 PM] Renita Yardley: Mhm, and thats the point we are making Carys, for instance here, many different things can happen, but its not a violent type of RP sim where you would expect to get violent sexual acts made against your character, however, if you go to one that is known for that, dont go there then, that simple when it comes to sims.
[05:50 PM] Artur Lionheart: One thing to keep in mind that behind these pretty AVi's we have are people. the characters are what they are, but be respectful of the player
[05:50 PM] Renita Yardley: Amen brotha
[05:50 PM] Erekiel Claven: My biggest issue with RP scenes of a certain nature, are when they happen and the person who committed the crime, usually rape wants to pretend it didn't happen.. they want the story without the reprecussions so to speak.. I find that highly upsetting.
[05:50 PM] Ragnar thinks about the baby dragon he saw in the airship...
[05:50 PM] Fiona Restless: there are lots of ways to be disrespectful..some of them perfectly within the rules.
[05:51 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: dont do it if you are not gonna ride it out
[05:51 PM] Laken Thorne nods in agreement with Ophelia.
[05:51 PM] Artur Lionheart: which I coved in my first class of In character actiosn equals In CHaracter Concequences. in short Erekiel, they can't, and to do so is powergaming
[05:51 PM] Artur Lionheart: If you find a player that is doing that, bring in an ST
[05:52 PM] Renita Yardley: I agre with Oph
[05:52 PM] Niesa Bailey: nods
[05:52 PM] Artur Lionheart: Okay we are drawing to a close here so if I could have the floor so I can tell you what is the Legacies stand point on Mature Themed RP
[05:53 PM] Artur Lionheart: 1) Legacies is a Mature Rated and Age Verified SIM, but not an Adult SIm. That means no public nudity or sex.
[05:54 PM] Fiona Restless: oops
[05:54 PM] Ragnar Ergaron: does that include animals?
[05:54 PM] Catt Catiria: lol
[05:55 PM] Erekiel Claven: ... lol
[05:55 PM] Artur Lionheart: 2) All sex and graphically violent acts need OOC consent of all parties involved. Use a players RP limits as guidelines. In other words if a person has 1) no Rape on their limits, they aren't going to give you consent to a rape RP
[05:57 PM] Artur Lionheart: 3) Respect your fellow players. If players are in a private area of the sim and decide to take things from R to the X rated, don't perve them, move out of rp range, or send them an IM and ask if they can use /2w commands. the /2w lowers the rp range on the meter from 20m to about 5m I think. someoen correct me if I am wrong there
[05:57 PM] Fiona Restless: only 10
[05:57 PM] Artur Lionheart: ?me is about to charge Lyn and Saerrn coins for lsitening to him and Ophelia
[05:57 PM] Fiona Restless: lol
[05:57 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: Occasionally a mer appears topless, Oph had an experience where she ended up topless in the Ten Bells. That is OK. If 2 people slip into a back alley for a quickie and are not completely nude and in full view it is ok
[05:57 PM] Lyn Clawtooth: lol. not me I run
[05:57 PM] Lyn Clawtooth: lol
[05:57 PM] Artur Lionheart: then gain we cna be standing at opposite ends of our hosues and still be in 20m of each other
[05:58 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: sorry was typing it is 10 meters and we know this now because Saerrn got an earfull the other day
[05:58 PM] Lyn Clawtooth: lol
[05:58 PM] Patch Reina: im sure she didn't mind at all.
[05:58 PM] Renita Yardley: hehe
[05:58 PM] Renita Yardley: I never do
[05:59 PM] Renita Yardley: -whistles inncocnetly-
[05:59 PM] Artur Lionheart: Last rule of thumb when in doubt, call an ST. They are here to help, and make sure you are having fun, and not subjected to rp that makes you not want to come back
[05:59 PM] Renita Yardley: or keep coming
[05:59 PM] Renita Yardley: oh sorry, that was .....wrong... -snickers anyway-
[05:59 PM] Ragnar thinks he'll pull the "Renegade" out from her slip...
[05:59 PM] Oceantide Leifstrom sniggers
[05:59 PM] Catt giggle bashfully
[06:00 PM] Artur Lionheart: When used right and responsibly, Mature Themes can really kick RP up a notch and make it something players will be talking about for months
[06:00 PM] Artur Lionheart: Ophelia still laughs at her second rp with Artur
[06:00 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: Mature RP gives us a chance to play with things we would never in RL
[06:00 PM] Ophelia Applewhyte: oh god, blushes
[06:00 PM] Artur Lionheart: When used wrong, it can turn ugly, fast, and ruin peopels fun, and lead to banning people from the game
[06:01 PM] Renita Yardley: banning is bad, playing is good
[06:01 PM] Artur Lionheart: Any last minute questions while XP is being handed out. Please note in order to get XP, you need to have your meters on
[06:01 PM] Erekiel Claven: it also makes our characters well rounded and more realistic if they are used to enhance and not made the entire focus of an RP.
[06:01 PM] Ragnar looks around for the peanut dish
[06:01 PM] Iris wiggles her boney butt on Oph one last time and then kisses her cheek before hoping off
[06:02 PM] Lady Ophelia Lowenhart laughs
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